Places of residence:
1. Birth in Ottenbach
2. Marriage record says Thomas is from Wolsen
3. Anna Grob (daughter) baptismal record says Thomas is from Wolsen
3. Burial record says Thomas is from Wolsen.
Post by Wolf » Sun 1. Dec 2024, 15:25
Thomas Grob, ≈ 09.11.1591 Ottenbach, Sohn des Heinrich Grob und (ooI Ottenbach 10.04.1586) der Margaretha ("Margreia") Oberdorfer, ■ Ottenbach 04.03.1747.
oo Ottenbach 01.03.1618 (laut Heirats- und Sterbeeintrag ist Thomas Grob von Wolsen) [§]
Elsbeth Schneebeli, von Affolteren
Kinder siehe geneanet - darunter
11.11.1632 Anna, oo 02.02.1658 Rudolf Sidler
[§] Anmerkung in der Zürcher Ehedatenbank: Sein Vater Heinrich Grob heiratet am 15. Dezember 1618, sein Bruder Heinrich Grob am 26. April 1618.
DeepL
Thomas Grob (1591-1647) oo Elsbeth Schneebeli
Post by Wolf “ Sun 1 Dec 2024, 15:25
Thomas Grob, ≈ 09.11.1591 Ottenbach, son of Heinrich Grob and (ooI Ottenbach 10.04.1586) Margaretha (“Margreia”) Oberdorfer, ■ Ottenbach 04.03.1747.
oo Ottenbach 01.03.1618 (according to the marriage and death entry, Thomas Grob von Wolsen) [§]
Elsbeth Schneebeli, of Affolteren
Children see geneanet - including
11.11.1632 Anna, oo 02.02.1658 Rudolf Sidler
[§] Note in the Zurich marriage database: His father Heinrich Grob married on December 15, 1618, his brother Heinrich Grob on April 26, 1618.
Documents related to Thomas Grob:
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| 1591 Thomas Grob baptism 9 Nov Ottenbach father Heinrich mother Margreta Oberdoffer page 55 |
9 Novembris (1591)
E(ltern) Heinrich Grob, Margreia [= Margareth] Oberdorfer
K(ind) Thomman
Z(eugen) Thomman Frick, Rlsbeth Nägelin
Parents got married Ottenbach 10.04.1586.
See summary on Thomas Grob (1591-1647) oo Elsbeth Schneebeli.
Wolf:
Thomas was not born in Ottenbach - but Wolsen (see his marriage and burial notes).
Wolsen is part of Obfelden - and until 1848 Obfelden belonged to the Ottenbach parish - so Thomas was just baptised in Ottenbach.
Wolsen is part of Obfelden - and until 1848 Obfelden belonged to the Ottenbach parish - so Thomas was just baptised in Ottenbach.
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| 1632 Anna Grob 11 November baptism film Ottenbach page 124 |
Daniel:
I am sorry to say that I cannot determine the place of origin of Hans Gut. There are several people from the same place on both pages, but I can't locate a village of that name. The rest reads as follows:
I am sorry to say that I cannot determine the place of origin of Hans Gut. There are several people from the same place on both pages, but I can't locate a village of that name. The rest reads as follows:
Transcription:
E. Thoma Grob von Wolsen Elsi Schneeblin
K. Anna
Z. Felix Wydler Fridlis Sun, Anna Guttin
Hans Gutten zu ? Thoch
E. Thoma Grob von Wolsen Elsi Schneeblin
K. Anna
Z. Felix Wydler Fridlis Sun, Anna Guttin
Hans Gutten zu ? Thoch
Translation:
parents Thomas Grob from Wolsen Elisabeth Schneebeli
child Anna
witnesses Felix Wydler Fridolin's son, Anna Gut
daughter of Hans Gut from ?
parents Thomas Grob from Wolsen Elisabeth Schneebeli
child Anna
witnesses Felix Wydler Fridolin's son, Anna Gut
daughter of Hans Gut from ?
Wolf:
Hans Gutten zu ? Thoch
I would interpret the location as Tunßen (today Toussen) - and the last word as Thocht(er) … would fit the groom from Wolsen.
Wolf:I would interpret the location as Tunßen (today Toussen) - and the last word as Thocht(er) … would fit the groom from Wolsen.
Wolsen is part of Obfelden: Grob have been citizens of Obfelden as well (was a widespread name).
Thomas could still have been born in Ottenbach.
Part of the municipality of Obfelden, founded in 1847, on the edge of the Reuss valley. Roman settlement remains in Unterlunnern bear witness to a prehistoric settlement in the area. Settlement of the area. The settlement developed into a hamlet in the late Middle Ages, which belonged to the parish of Ottenbach before the municipality was divided. [2] (Wikipedia)
Politically, Obfelden is the youngest municipality in Affoltern, though settlements in the area date back to the Alemannic-Franconian period in the 5th century AD. Early activity coalesced around five hamlets: Bickwil (first mentioned in 1246 as Bickewilare), Oberlunnern and Unterlunnern (1257 Lundenerun and Lunderun inferioris), Wolsen (1311 Wolunsun), and Toussen (1325 Thunsen).[3]These five hamlets were known collectively as being ob dem Feld ("over the field") from neighbouring Ottenbach; most fell under the jurisdiction of Maschwanden, although Toussen and part of Unterlunnern came under the Zürich Freiamt. Both of these areas were merged into Knonau (today's Affoltern district) in the sixteenth century, when the hamlets of Obfelden became a part of the nearby parish of Ottenbach.[3] (Wikipedia)
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| 1618 Thomas Grob 1 March marriage to Elisbeth Schneebeli Ottenbach Page 17 |
This is an interesting set of marriages!
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Frater [brother] Thomas Grob von Wolsen und Elßbeth Schnewlin von Apfolteren hand Hochzytt gahn [have had marriage], Sunday den 1.ten Merz 1618.
47
Filius [son] Heinrich Grob von Wolsen und Anna Freÿin von Hedingen
[...]
sind ÿngfürt worden ["have been introduced"], Sunday 26. April 1618.
[49 crossed out] 51
Pater [father] Heinrich Grob zu Wolsen und Madlena Lüßin von Ottenbach, Thursday den 15.ten Devemb (16)18.
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| 1647 Thomas Grob burial 4 March Ottenbach page 180 |
Thoman Grob zu Wolsen starb(!) (died) den 4, tag Mertzen (1647).
Notes: So it actually states that he died that day - not that was buried.
The next page is empty - for some reason the records were continued on film image 171 - an error when the book was bound after a restauration?