What happened to their children?
Graben Pastors during their lifetime:
William T Wyatt notes:
BIRTH-CHR: CRA sheet for this person as wife has data source Graben par. rec., name Margaretha Barbara Scholl, born abt 1671, baptism-endownment-seal-to-husband done at SL temple. CRA sheet for person as child has data source par rec WGM-Groll-1956, name Maria Barbara Scholl, born 9 July 1673, It appears that her birth month "7ber" was misread as July instead of correct translation September. It also appears her first name Margretha was misread as Maria.
!NAME: Name Barbara Scholl given in christening record of daughter Friderica Magdalena, 9 Sept 1711.
!CHRISTENING: Graben Parish register; about 1645-1800; christening; FHL film 1238310 item 2; notes -- gives name Margretha Barbara.
!MARRIAGE: Graben Parish register; about 1645-1800; marriage record; FHL film 1238310 item 2; notes -- spells name Margaretha, gives fathers of husband and wife. BIRTH: Ancestral File gives the birth date to be the same as the christening date. However, there is no birth date mentioned in the Graben parish record.
Documents related to Margaretha Barbara Scholl:
|Margaretha Barbara Scholl birth 9 Sep 1673 her father is Matthias|
Scholl and her mother is Eva film, 102078298 page 220
[Record no.] 49.
[Date]: 9 September .
Child: Margretha Barbara.
Parents: H[ans] M[a]t[th]aeus Scholl, lawyer, Eva, wife.
Baptismal sponsors: Bernhard Munk, Sidonia, wife; H[ans]
Matthaeus Zeislof, A[nna] Margretha, wife.
Pfarrer:The name of the Graben Pastor who wrote the birth record of Margaretha was Johann Georg Pantzhaff von Urach in Württemberg. He served from 1671-1674. Pastors kept track of birth, marriages and deaths through people's lives. They also knew the lineage of each person.
|Margaretha Barbara Scholl marriage 12 Apr 1692 |
film 4137289 page 248
On the 12 April 1692, were married, after the marriage sermon was given, Hannß Matthaus Pfeil, legitimate son of Bernhardt Pfeil, and maiden Margretha Barbara, surviving daughter of deceased Hannß Matthis Scholl, former attorney in Graben
Pfarrer:In 1692 Graben was left without a Parish Pfarrer or Pastor. So from the beginning of 1692 until 1698 Philipp Lindemann came von (from) Spöck to serve in Graben. vicariando versehen worden (Translation: Pfarrer Philipp Lindemann came from Spöck to serve in Graben). Pfarrer Lindemann performed the wedding of Margaretha Barbara Scholl and Matthias Pfial.
|Christoph Pfeil bap 19 Oct 1701 birth|
18th October 1791 film 102078298 page 245
On the 18th of October : a little boy was born and on the 19th [of October 1701] was baptized.
Parents: Mathiß Pfeil the younger and Barbara, wife.
Name of the child: Christoph.
Godparents: Christoph Grünenmeier and wife; Jacob Kamerer the younger and Elisabetha, wife.
|Maria Elisabeth Pfeil, christening, 13 Dec 1704, birth 12 Dec|
film 102078298 page 305
[Child and date]: Maria Elisabetha, born on the 12th of December and baptized on the 13th [of December].
[Parents]: Matthäus Pfeil, the "Hirschwirth", and his wife Margareth Barbara.
[Baptismal sponsors]: Christoph Grünenmeyer, the smith, and his wife Anna Catharina; also Jacob Cammerer and his wife Elisabeth.
My comment: "Hirschwirth = innkeeper at the sign of the stag. Way cool!
|Johann Christoph Pfeil bap 21 Oct 1708 19 birth mother |
Margaretha Barbara film 102078298 page 309
[First column]: Johann Christoph was born on the 19th of October and was baptized on the 21st [of October].
[Second column]: Matthias Pfeil and wife Margaretha Barbara.
[Third column]: Simon L___? with wife; Andreas Rösch "d.? Bittel?" with wife.
New comments as of 12 Oct 2021: Looking at some of the other baptismal records for children in this family, it's possible that the first baptismal sponsor's name is: Simon Heyl, though if so it's a very strange capital "H". Also, note the + symbol (indicating "died") next to the child's name.
|Maria Barbara Pfeil bap 3 Nov 1706 film 102078348 page 216|
[Child and date]: Maria Barbara was baptized on the 3rd of November.
[Parents]: Hanß Matthaeus Pfeil and wife Anna Barbara.
[Baptismal sponsors]: Simon Heÿl, Andreas Rösch, Anna Maria Heÿlin, Margaretha Röschin.
It appears that the first baptismal sponsor is a noble count. Here's the translation of the record:
[Child and date]: On the 25th of September Friderica Magdalena was born and on the following day was baptized.
[Parents]: Matthias Pfeil, with wife Barbara, née Scholl.
[Baptsimal sponsors]: Your High Count Excellency Count of Wittgenstein and Saÿn, praiseworthy Friderich Ludwig; Simon Heyl with wife.
Ulrich Neitzel from Germany:
Yes, the House of Sayn-Wittgenstein is a very old and widespread noble family, but nowadays better known from the German Yellow Press.... For a short history in English see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayn-Wittgenstein
I did a quick search and found a Friedrich Ludwig zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, born 1679, on the Geni website:
This could be him, at least the birth date fits with the baptism of Friederica; He was 33 years old at that time. Unfortunately, there is not much more information about him. The land of the Sayn-Wittgensteins were further north, in today's Hesse and North Rhine-Westphalia.From Geni:
Friedrich Ludwig zu Sayn-Wittgenstein
Son of Christian greve von Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg and Christiane Magdalene von Leiningen-Dagsburg-Hartenburg, Gräfin von Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg
|This is the only person I can find who died on Christmas day 1745.|
|Wendel Scholl is Hans Matthias 1668's grandson. film 004137289 page 588,|
On the 25th of December 1745 Master Wendel Scholl died, citizen and potter?, after suffering 14 days with a feverish illness, so thereupon the following day was buried with the ringing of bells, singing and a funeral sermon; at the age of 33 years.
My comment: Wendel's occupation appears to be "Oh__macher". This occupation could possibly be: Ohlenmacher = potter, but I am not completely certain, hence the ? on "potter". Wendel is Hans Matthias 1668's grandson. film 004137289 pge 588 above