Sunday, March 15, 2020

Margaretha Barbara Scholl 1673 - at least 1711

Margaretha Barbara Scholl was born 9 Sept 1673 to Hans Matthias Scholl and Eva Meinzer. Margaretha married Hans Mattheus Pfeil on 12 April 1692. The couple had 10 children. She did not die 25 Dec 1745 as recorded on FS. However a Wendel Scholl did die on that date. Not sure how he fits into the family. 

What happened to their children?
Hans Andreas Pfeil 1692-1692
Eva Catharina Pfeil 1694-1733
Anna Margaretha Pfeil 1697-1703
Hans Jacob Pfeil 1699-1763
Christoph Pfeil 1701-1703
Anna Margaretha Pfeil 1703-1771
Maria Elisabetha Pfeil 1704 Dec
Maria Barbara Pfeil 1706-1783
Johann Christian Pfeil 1708-1708
Friederika Magdalena Pfeil 1711 Dec

Local history reports from the Karlsruhe area from the first half of the 18th century.  By Benedikt Schwarz
1706 In Graben , complaints are made that Kaspar Dieffenbacher is still in the old cellar of the burned-down castle with one of his children, but that his wife and the other children are with his father-in-law. Dieffenbacher, too, lived like a pagan by threatening his wife with murder, but the school hotter with fire, so that no one more dared to tell him anything.

1706 The church at Graben was rebuilt in 1706 after it was cremated by the French in 1689; in 1742 there are some tombstones that were placed on the Evangelical Lutheran officers who died in neighboring Philippsburg. There are three bells, one by 11 hundredweights, one by 5 hundredweights and one by 80 pounds. The middle one contains the names of the bailiff Kemling and the pastor Obermüller and others. The smallest is only rung in times of war when the others have fled.

1710 Among the vasa sacra (sacred vessels in the church) are mentioned: a silver-gilt paten with the year 1710 and the names of the pastor, the schultheißen (Mayor) and the charity. A tin edge of 1 measure with the number 1712 and the name Georg Michel Raichert.

Graben Pastors during their lifetime:
1671-1674 Johann Georg Pantzhaff von Urach in Württemberg (Württemberg was devastated in the Thirty Years’ War (1618–48) and fell prey to French invasions from 1688 until 1693 during the War of the Grand Alliance. Yet the country enjoyed progressive government. Compulsory education was introduced in 1649.) (Born in Urach Württemberg , studies in Strasbourg, 1652 pastor in Pfulgriesheim, 1656 in Remchingen with the branches Wilferdingen and Singen, 1666 in Eggenstein, 1667 in Langensteinbach, 1671 - 1674 in Graben , the Evangelical Church of Baden called Parzav or Parzhaff)
1674-1677 Johann Oswald Crusius (Crusig) von Ravensburg (Following the Reformation a "paritetic" government emerged in Ravensburg meaning an equal distribution of public offices between the Catholic and Protestant confession. This system was approved at the end of the Thirty Years' War in the Peace of Westphalia (1648).
1677-1682 Immanuel Rösch von Geislingen (The fortified Helfenstein castle existed since 1100.) (In 1644 Hochstetten had its own pastor, named Joh. Friedr. Buß; In 1677 there was Immanuel Rösch.)
1682-1692 Konrad Stadmann von Durlach (Durlach was chosen by the margrave Charles II in 1565 as residence of the rulers of Baden-Durlach, and retained this distinction though it was almost totally destroyed by the French in 1689.)
1692-1698 von Spöck vicariando versehen worden (Translation: Pfarrer Philipp Lindemann came from Spöck to serve in Graben)
1698-1700 Johann Philipp Bauderer (Born 1645 in Leonberg, 1700 in Graben, 1665 Masters , 1671 pastor in Winnenden, 1682 in Freudenstein, 1691 in Backnang, 1698 up to his death in 1700 in Graben )
1700-1703 Johann Christoph Blum
1703-1706 Joh. Alb. Obermüller (born in 1666 in Langenburg † died in1729 Liedolsheim, 1703 in Graben , 1706 in Brötzingen, 1719 up to his death in 1729 pastor in Liedolsheim) (Johnn had a  son who was the treasurer and later writer Christian Obermüller and his II. wife Dorothea Meerwein and this couple had a son: Obermüller, Friedrich Christian)
1706-1714 Ernst Friedrich Weber (or Wider, a Franc meaning a Franconian

During their lifetime:
French Destruction
During the reign of Eberhard Louis (1676–1733), who succeeded as a one-year-old when his father Duke William Louis died in 1677, Württemberg had to face another destructive enemy, Louis XIV of France. In 1688, 1703 and 1707, the French entered the duchy and inflicted brutalities and suffering upon the inhabitants. The sparsely populated country afforded a welcome to fugitive Waldenses, who did something to restore it to prosperity, but the extravagance of the duke, anxious to provide for the expensive tastes of his mistress, Christiana Wilhelmina von Grävenitz, undermined this benefit. (History of Baden)

Graben a Simple Village
Already in 1715 an important course for the future of the country had been set: After the Peace of Rastatt, Margrave Karl Wilhelm, Karl Friedrich's Great father, had a hunting lodge built in the Hardtwald - the basis for the late residence Karlsruhe. Soon afterwards the office of Graben was abolished and assigned to the new office of Karlsruhe. Graben lost its official seat and became a simple village. It was not until 1746 that the magnificent land rights of the Electorate Palatinate were replaced by the former Graben and Stein offices, which had had to be seceded in 1424, with 150,000 gulden. (Graben by Konrad Dussel)
William T Wyatt notes:
BIRTH-CHR: CRA sheet for this person as wife has data source Graben par. rec., name Margaretha Barbara Scholl, born abt 1671, baptism-endownment-seal-to-husband done at SL temple. CRA sheet for person as child has data source par rec WGM-Groll-1956, name Maria Barbara Scholl, born 9 July 1673,  It appears that her birth month "7ber" was misread as July instead of correct translation September. It also appears her first name Margretha was misread as Maria. 
!NAME: Name Barbara Scholl given in christening record of daughter Friderica Magdalena, 9 Sept 1711. 
!CHRISTENING: Graben Parish register; about 1645-1800; christening; FHL film 1238310 item 2; notes -- gives name Margretha Barbara. 
 !MARRIAGE: Graben Parish register; about 1645-1800; marriage record; FHL film 1238310 item 2; notes -- spells name Margaretha, gives fathers of husband and wife. BIRTH: Ancestral File gives the birth date to be the same as the christening date. However, there is no birth date mentioned in the Graben parish record.

Documents related to Margaretha Barbara Scholl:

Margaretha Barbara Scholl birth 9 Sep 1673 her father is Matthias
Scholl and her mother is Eva film, 102078298 page 220
Translation by Robert Seal:
[Record no.] 49.
[Date]: 9 September [1673].
Child: Margretha Barbara.
Parents: H[ans] M[a]t[th]aeus Scholl, lawyer, Eva, wife.
Baptismal sponsors: Bernhard Munk, Sidonia, wife; H[ans]
Matthaeus Zeislof, A[nna] Margretha, wife.
Pfarrer:The name of the Graben Pastor who wrote the birth record of Margaretha was Johann Georg Pantzhaff von Urach in Württemberg. He served from 1671-1674. Pastors kept track of birth, marriages and deaths through people's lives. They also knew the lineage of each person.
Margaretha Barbara Scholl marriage 12 Apr 1692 
film 4137289 page 248
Translation Gina Palmer:
On the 12 April 1692, were married, after the marriage sermon was given, Hannß Matthaus Pfeil, legitimate son of Bernhardt Pfeil, and maiden Margretha Barbara, surviving daughter of deceased Hannß Matthis Scholl, former attorney in Graben
Pfarrer:In 1692 Graben was left without a Parish Pfarrer or Pastor. So from the beginning of 1692 until 1698 Philipp Lindemann came von (from) Spöck to serve in Graben. vicariando versehen worden (Translation: Pfarrer Philipp Lindemann came from Spöck to serve in Graben). Pfarrer Lindemann performed the wedding of Margaretha Barbara Scholl and Matthias Pfial.

Christoph Pfeil bap 19 Oct 1701 birth
18th October 1791 film 102078298 page 245

Translation Robert Seal:
On the 18th of October [1701]: a little boy was born and on the 19th [of October 1701] was baptized.
Parents: Mathiß Pfeil the younger and Barbara, wife.
Name of the child: Christoph.
Godparents: Christoph Grünenmeier and wife; Jacob Kamerer the younger and Elisabetha, wife.
Maria Elisabeth Pfeil, christening, 13 Dec 1704, birth 12 Dec
film 102078298 page 305
Translation by Robert Seal:
[Child and date]: Maria Elisabetha, born on the 12th of December and baptized on the 13th [of December].
[Parents]: Matthäus Pfeil, the "Hirschwirth", and his wife Margareth Barbara.
[Baptismal sponsors]: Christoph Grünenmeyer, the smith, and his wife Anna Catharina; also Jacob Cammerer and his wife Elisabeth.
My comment: "Hirschwirth = innkeeper at the sign of the stag. Way cool!

Johann Christoph Pfeil bap 21 Oct 1708 19 birth mother
Margaretha Barbara film 102078298 page 309

Translation by Robert Seal:
[First column]: Johann Christoph was born on the 19th of October and was baptized on the 21st [of October].
[Second column]: Matthias Pfeil and wife Margaretha Barbara.
[Third column]: Simon L___? with wife; Andreas Rösch "d.? Bittel?" with wife.
New comments as of 12 Oct 2021: Looking at some of the other baptismal records for children in this family, it's possible that the first baptismal sponsor's name is: Simon Heyl, though if so it's a very strange capital "H". Also, note the + symbol (indicating "died") next to the child's name.

Maria Barbara Pfeil bap 3 Nov 1706 film 102078348 page 216
Translation by Robert Seal:
[Child and date]: Maria Barbara was baptized on the 3rd of November.
[Parents]: Hanß Matthaeus Pfeil and wife Anna Barbara.
[Baptismal sponsors]: Simon Heÿl, Andreas Rösch, Anna Maria Heÿlin, Margaretha Röschin.

Friederica Magdalena Pfeil bap 25 Sep 1711 birth 25
father Matthias Pfeil film 102078348 page 222

Translation by Robert Seal:
It appears that the first baptismal sponsor is a noble count. Here's the translation of the record:
[Child and date]: On the 25th of September Friderica Magdalena was born and on the following day was baptized.
[Parents]: Matthias Pfeil, with wife Barbara, née Scholl.
[Baptsimal sponsors]: Your High Count Excellency Count of Wittgenstein and Saÿn, praiseworthy Friderich Ludwig; Simon Heyl with wife.
Ulrich Neitzel from Germany:
Yes, the House of Sayn-Wittgenstein is a very old and widespread noble family, but nowadays better known from the German Yellow Press.... For a short history in English see
I did a quick search and found a Friedrich Ludwig zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, born 1679, on the Geni website:

This could be him, at least the birth date fits with the baptism of Friederica; He was 33 years old at that time. Unfortunately, there is not much more information about him. The land of the Sayn-Wittgensteins were further north, in today's Hesse and North Rhine-Westphalia.

From Geni:

Friedrich Ludwig zu Sayn-Wittgenstein

Death: 1742 (62-63)
Immediate Family:

Son of Christian greve von Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg and Christiane Magdalene von Leiningen-Dagsburg-Hartenburg, Gräfin von Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg
Brother of
Charlotte Lovisa Christina zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, grevinde and Gräfin Christiane zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg

This is the only person I can find who died on Christmas day 1745. 

Wendel Scholl is Hans Matthias 1668's grandson. film 004137289 page 588,
Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 25th of December 1745 Master Wendel Scholl died, citizen and potter?, after suffering 14 days with a feverish illness, so thereupon the following day was buried with the ringing of bells, singing and a funeral sermon; at the age of 33 years.
My comment: Wendel's occupation appears to be "Oh__macher". This occupation could possibly be: Ohlenmacher = potter, but I am not completely certain, hence the ? on "potter". Wendel is Hans Matthias 1668's grandson. film 004137289 pge 588 above