GatheringGardiners: Barbara Salzmann 1604

Maschwanden Coat of Arms

Barbara Salzmann born 19 February 1604 in Maschwanden and died 31 July 1672 in Ottenbach. She married Heinrich Grob 14 August 1626 in Knonau, Zurich. Schweiz. He was a miller in Ottenbach where he died.

1834 Church Census
The 1834 Ottenbach census has Heinrich Grob (21 July 1605 - 8 May 1676) and Barbara Salzmann with 2 children. Verena 3 and Barbara 1.

Apparently two brothers married two sisters. The 1834 Ottenbach census also has Joss Grob married to Verena Salzmann. They have three children Joss 7, Margrove age 4 and Hans age 1. They are all from Inonouw?

Wolf:

Heinrich Grob oo 04.08.1626 Barbara Salzmann (19.02.1604-31.07.1672)

1. 14.05.1627 Heinrich, + 16.06.1627

2. 20.04.1628 Verena

3. 03.03.1630 Heinrich (deceased before 1634?)

further children * in Ottenbach > moved to Ottenbach around 1631/1633

The only Hans Heinrich is baptized on 21.07.1605 as the son of Jost Grob and Dorothea Frey. Felix would therefore not be the father of Hans Heinrich and Joß in the population register of Ottenbach. They both moved to Ottenbach with their families (and their sister Margreth) around 1631/1633 - Felix may have come with them as a widower.

If Joss (oo Verena Salzmann) and Heinrich (oo Barbara Salzmann) are brothers (population register 1640), Hans Heinrich, born in 1605, would not be the husband of Barbara Salzmann ... otherwise they would be father and son. Is there another Hans Heinrich (not baptized in Knonau) - or is the population register wrong about the families who moved to Knonau only a few years ago?

1640 Church Census
The 1640 census has Heinrich Grob as a Müllar translated Miller or someone who grinds grains. Something about Joss is mentioned and where he is from. 16 year old Margaretha has completed her catechism and Verena is 15 has completed her catechism and Barbara is 7 and is working on hers. There are two other children Hans age 9 and Elsath age 3.

Grüezi Wolf,
Heinrich Grob, am 04.08.1626 vermählt mit Barbara Salzmann, ist wahrscheinlich identisch mit:
• 1638 ersuchten der Ottenbacher Müller Heinrich Grob und die Zivilgemeinde Ottenbach bei den "gnädigen Herren" in Zürich um die Bewilligung für den Neubau einer zusätzlichen Mühle (neuer «malhufen» mit einem Mühl- und Bodenstein und einem Wasserrad) auf Gemeindeland an der Reuss (mit Kanal zur Mühle), weil die bestehende Mühle vom Mühleweier während trockenen Sommermonaten zu wenig Wasser erhalte, um alles Korn zu mahlen.
Beleg auf der Webseite "Ottenbach ZH" von Wikipedia.
• 1638 machten der Ottenbacher Müller Heinrich Grob und die Zivilgemeinde Ottenbach eine Eingabe bei den "gnädigen Herren" in Zürich, dass er an der Reuss einen neuen "malhufen" –bestehend aus einem Mühl- und einem Bodenstein, sowie ein Wasserrad errichten dürfe. Zu "heissen und trockenen" Sommerszeit sammle sich zu wenig Wasser im Mühleweiher.
Beleg auf der Webseite "Weberei Haas - Bodmer - Hürlimann" von Peter Eichhorn, Ottenbach, Kanton Zürich.
• 1638 ersuchte Müller Grob die Obrigkeit, ob er an der Reuss eine Mühle mit Wasserrad errichten könne, da der Müliweiher zuwenig Wasser habe. Auf der Gygerkarte von 1667 ist diese schon eingetragen.
Beleg auf der Webseite "Bäche in Ottenbach" von Peter Eichhorn, Ottenbach, Kanton Zürich.
Säntis

Heinrich's Profession
A miller is a person who operates a mill, a machine to grind a grain (for example corn or wheat) to make flour. Milling is among the oldest of human occupations. As an important part of his job, the miller repeatedly takes into his hand samples of the ground meal coming out of the spout in order to feel the quality and character of the product. The miller rubs the grain between his thumb and forefinger. After years of doing this, the miller's thumb changes shape and becomes broad and flattened. This is known as a "miller's thumb". (Wikipedia)

Documents related to Barbara Salzmann:

Barbara Salzmann born 19 February 1604 film 8125638 page 14 first entry

Wolf:
MDCIV - 19. Febru. [1604]
Barbel
Jacob Salzmann / Anna Sutterin
Ludwig Kleiner von Cußen(?) / Barbel Gründelerin Klin Jaglis frouw
Klin Jagli = Kleinjakob (similar to Kleinhans)

As I said - same as with "Kleinhans" - the younger Hans / Jakob

Heinrich Grob and Barbara Salzmann marriage 4 August 1626
Knonau film 8014288 page 126

Wolf:
There are three marriages recorded for 1626 - all three potentially of some interest:
03.05.1626 Hans Künradt Vrmi, Agnes Heggetschwÿller beide zu Kno(nauw)
04.08.1626 Heinrich Grob zu Knonauw, Barbara Salzmann vo(n) Maschw(anden)
08.11.1626Heinrich Freÿ uß der Barregg, Verena Grob zu Knonauw (likely not your Grob line)
Furthermore there is on this page
30.05.1619 Joß Grob, viduus zu Knonauw, Verena Salzmann, vidua vo(n) Maschw(anden)

Heinrich Grob and Barbara Salzmann with 2 children 1634 census film 8126308 page 293
Bevölkerungsverzeichnis

Wolf:
Bevölkerungsverzeichnis 1634
Felix is from Knonau - likely the father of
Joß Grob / Vreni Salzman
>> Joß 7 (* abt. 1627) / Margreth 4 (* abt. 1630) / Hans 1 (* abt. 1633)
Hans Heinrich Grob / Barbel Salzman
>> Vreni 3 (* abt. 1631) / Barbel 1 (* abt. 1633)

Heinrich Grob and Barbara Salzmann 1640 census with Margaretha
film 8014135 page 369 entry 152

Wolf:
Bevölkerungsverzeichnis 1640
Heinrich Grob der Müller / Barbara Saltzmannin
Joß sein Bruder ist in der Müllj zu Affholteren
Margreth soror (sister) 16 (* abt. 1624)
The children are most likely belonging to Heinrich and Barbara Salzmann:
Verena 15 (* abt. 1626) parents married 04.08.1626
Barbara 7 (* abt. 1633) / Hanß 5 (* abt. 1636) / Elselj 3 (* abt. 1637)
Ages of Vreni/Verena don't agree.
Why is Margreth (* 15.07.1638) missing? It is known that the year given for the document is not necessarily the exact year of data collection - checking the 1643 list might help.