The name Schnebelli is very popular in Ottenbach and goes back to the beginning of the Village into at least the 1500s. To pronounce Schneebeli you pronounce the initial e's as a long ē. (Sh-nē-belly)
What happened to their children?
Barbara Sidler 1729-1786 married Jakob Bär, 7 children, lived 56 years 6 months 28 days
Dorothea Sidler 1732 died after 1749
Anna Sidler 1732-1770 married Mathias Meier, no known children, lived 35 years 10 months 0 days
Barbara Sidler 1736-1802 married Johannes Stehli of Maschwanden on 3 July 1756, died 24 June 1802 at 67, one child.
Anna Sidler 1732-1770 married Mathias Meier, no known children, lived 35 years 10 months 0 days
Barbara Sidler 1736-1802 married Johannes Stehli of Maschwanden on 3 July 1756, died 24 June 1802 at 67, one child.
Rudolf Sidler 1742-1801 married Elisabetha Sidler, night watchman and Feldschreiber in Ottenbach, 15 children, lived 58 years 9 months 16 days
Elisabetha Schneebeli 1710-1765 second wife, born in Affoltern, had one son. Julius Billeter made a mistake and put this child with the first wife but Veronica Schneebeli passed away before Ulrich's birth
Elisabetha Schneebeli 1710-1765 second wife, born in Affoltern, had one son. Julius Billeter made a mistake and put this child with the first wife but Veronica Schneebeli passed away before Ulrich's birth
Ulrich Sidler 1751-1800 married Verena Häberling, had 2 children, one married, lived 48 years 9 months 28 days
132-2-3-2-6) Hans Kaspar Sidler ooI 1728 Veronica Schneebeli, ooII 1747 Elisabeth Schneebeli
Post by Wolf “ Tue 5. Nov 2024, 18:12
Hans Kaspar Sidler, ≈ Ottenbach 29.03.1705, son of Jacob
oo Ottenbach 16.11.1728
Veronica “Froneg” Schneebeli, ≈ Ottenbach 22.01.1709, daughter of Hans Caspar Schneebeli and Margaretha Stierli, + Ottenbach 28.09.1746
Children: [Source: Ottenbach population register 1749, E-II-700-79_12, p.153, additions from Geneanet]
18.09.1729 Barbara, + 15.04.1786
11.05.1732 Dorothea, + after 1749
07.12.1734 Anna, + after 1749
21.10.1736 Anna Barbara, + after 1749
01.04.1742 Rudolf, oo 26.01.1768 Elisabetha Sidler, + 07.01.1801 [details and descendants]
Hans Kaspar Sidler (1705-?)
oo Ottenbach 22.08.1747
Elisabeth Schneebeli, ≈ Affoltern am Albis 28.11.1713, daughter of Heinrich (≈ 15.04.1683, oo 01.02.1707, + 14.03.1751) and Elisabeth Schneebeli (≈ 20.11.1683, + 12.12.1745), + Ottenbach 05.08.1765 [§]
No children from this marriage are known. Billeter gives a son Ulrich born on 20.06.1751 - but assigns him to the first marriage - which is obviously wrong (Veronica had died in 1746). In addition, this Ulrich is a son of Rudolf Sidler and Anna Schneebeli.
[According to the death entry of 05.08.1765 Elisabeth Schneebeli died at the age of 52 years 8 months and 8 days, which gives a birth date of 28.11.1712 - but a corresponding baptism entry does not exist. The 2 of 52 is a correction - could have originally been 51 years - which would fit the baptism entry 28.11.1713. Billeter gives 28.11.1710, which is probably a typing error, as no corresponding baptism entry exists here either.
Ottenbach-Dead-17650805-Schnebeeli-Elisabeth.jpg
Vronegg or Fronegg or Froneck is a Swiss version for
Veronica, today Veronika. It is often misread as Verena, Frena, Freni, Vrena,
etc. The published on-line marriage data base (EDB) of Dr. Pfister of the
Staatsarchive Zurich tells you whether it is Veronika or Vernena. He only uses
the standard, normalized version (which is the one used still today both of
first and last name to faciliate on-line research). Sometimes the old versions
as read from the marriage books are indicated as comment line both for men and
women.
Veronica's Death
Veronica's death document was difficult to find because the
Pastor spelled her first name in an unusual way. Everything else lines up including her
husband, death date, years lived and last name. For some reason the Pastor
thought she was Vronegg instead of Veronica. The word Veronica is pretty easy
to identify because only the initial letter V is large. In any case this is the
correct document for her.
1746 was an unusual year in terms of deaths in Ottenbach. It
starts out with things like Apoplexy or cerebral hemorrhage but on July 31 a 6
year 2 month old child died of dysentery. From August to the end of the year 75
people died from Dysentery. It almost looked like Pastor Balthasar Zwingli was writing Dysentery for everyone. As you
can see, Veronica who was just 37 years 8 months 6 days, fell prey to the
disease.
Documents related to Veronica Schneebeli:
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| Veronica Schnebelli birth 22 Jan 1709 Ottenbach film 8014328 page 295 |
Child: Veronica, dto (=22.01.1709)
Parents: Hanß Caspar Schneweli zu Ottenbach & Margaritha Stierli
Witnesses: Caspar Bär daselbst & Veronica Leüthart [Leuthert] daselbst (there)
Note: She was named after her deceased sister born 18 Jan 1707. M9VG-P33. Many times when a child died early the parents used the same name again.
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| Veronica Schnebelli married 16 November 1728 film 8014328 page 364 number 11 |
8. H(an)s Kaspar Sÿdler v(nd) Froneg Schnebli zu Otte(n)bach, dto (= 16. 9bris 1728)
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Veronica Schneebeli death 28 Sept 1746 Ottenbach
film 8014328 page 627 |
106. Den 28. 7bris (1746)
Vronegg Schnebli, Seckelm(ei)st(e)r H(an)s Caspar Sÿdlers zu Ottenbach ehl(ich) g(e)l(iebte) Haußfrau, aet 37 (Jahr) 8 Monath
Dysenteriâ
DeepL
Wolf:
106. On July 28, 1746
Vronegg Schnebli, Seckelm(ei)st(e)r H(an)s Caspar Sÿdlers of Ottenbach, beloved wife, aged 37 (years) 8 months
Dysentery
106. On July 28, 1746
Vronegg Schnebli, Seckelm(ei)st(e)r H(an)s Caspar Sÿdlers of Ottenbach, beloved wife, aged 37 (years) 8 months
Dysentery
Kent:
It appears that there was a plague of dysentery in Ottenbach in 1746 almost looked like Pastor Balthasar Zwingli wrote Dysentery for almost everyone. As you can see, Veronica who was just 37 years 8 months 6 days, fell prey to this condition.
1. Contaminated food or water: When someone with poor hygiene prepares food or drinks contaminated water
2. Sexual contact
3. Swimming in contaminated water: Such as lakes or pools or the Reuss river which runs through Ottenbach
4. Physical contact: With someone who has dysentery
Most people who experience dysentery develop either bacterial dysentery or amebic dysentery. Bacterialdysentery is caused by infection with bacteria from Shigella, Campylobacter, Salmonella, or enterohemorrhagic E. coli. ... Amebic dysentery is caused by a single-celled parasite that infects the intestines
Dysentery (like in Ottenbach, 1746) was a frequent infectious disease with fever, nausea, vomiting, painful urge to stool and urinate, bloody diarrhea. Amoebic dysentery was often chronic and affected the liver. Bacterial dysentery affects the nervous system and can lead to death.
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Hans Kaspar Sidler b 1705 in the 1749 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis film 8014124 page 91 |
Veronica's children:
Barbara Sidler 1729-1786
Dorothea Sidler 1732 dec
Anna Sidler 1734-1770
Anna Barbara Sidler 1736-1802
Hans Rudolf 1742 - 1801 married Elisabetha Sidler, direct line.
Note: Children from second wife not listed in this Bevölkerungsverzeichnis
Ulrich b 1751
Note: The last four lines - just above the 153:
Wolf:
The note lists the religious books available in the household (header "Religionswüßen [religious knowledge]):Bücher, Bibel [books, bible - just in general]
Zollickofers(ches) Gbb (Gebetbuch) [Prayer book - see Geneal-Forum for a 1691 edition]
I am at a loss for the last two lines.
Geneal-Forum: This prayer book, printed in 1691, was dedicated by Johann Zollikofer (1633-1692) to the mayors and members of the Small Council of his hometown of St. Gallen. At that time, he was a pastor in Herisau.
Note: See this page for the meanings of religious abbreviations
in the right column above.
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