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1644 Ulli Urmi 20 Oct rt side Baaragg burial film 008014288 page 131 upper left entry Knonau ZH records. |
Wolf:
Cathrin Urmi, who died in 1640, could not yet be traced - no baptism in Knonau, no entry in the Zurich marriage database, only the following entry in the death register:
On the 10th day of the western month, of the -40th year
died Cathrj Vrmin, Hans Fehren S. von
Cnonauw, married widow.
from a fatal illness, which she suffered in
her eyes : about the one eye,
large, like a swarm: she came down with the
eye, as if it were runny. Ettlich [hi...]
this plaag, the buzz : others, the
Milling : against others, the [...]
His suffering for the 3rd year in [...]
in your illness, great need, with
patience, with which God
God all// granted. [...]. Was announced
announced on the 18th day of the month.
1649 Knonau Baragg film 008014288 page 132 burial |
According to the Surname Book of Switzerland, Maschwanden ZH (see Urmi von Maschwanden) is the only place where Urmi has been a citizen since before 1800. It was not until the 20th century that lines were naturalized in Küsnacht ZH or the city of Zurich. However, Urmi in Knonau (Baaregg).
According to The Register of Swiss Surnames, Maschwanden ZH (see Urmi von Maschwanden) is the only place of citizenship for Urmi in existence since before 1800. It was not until the 20th century that Urmi lines gained citizenship in Küsnacht ZH or the city of Zurich. In connection with Sidler von Ottenbach ZH, however, Urmi appear in Knonau (Baaregg).
Wolf: Based on the church records of Knonau alone, no common progenitor of all known Urmi of Knonau can be determined. Rather, there are 4 name bearers in the early church records to whom no parents can be assigned. Their descendants are summarized below as lines A ... D. In addition to the markings shown below, there are numbers {nnn} in curved brackets: these Kekule numbers refer to Johann Robert Urmi (20.10.1891-27.08.1982) as the proband.
A) Heinrich Urmi oo Cathrin Syz
A-1) 28.10.1590 Hans Konrad oo 03.05.1626 Agnes Hegetschweiler
A-1-1) 04.01.1629 Cleophea, oo 10.01.1655 Hans Jakob Huber
A-2) 10.12.1592 Ludwig
A-3) 13.10.1594 Adelheid
B) Heinrich Urmi oo Anna Huber
B-1) 04.08.1594 Elsbeth
C) Ulrich Urmi ooI Margreth Zürcher, ooII Anna Kueni, ooIII Margaretha Walder {512}
C-1) 27.01.1602 Hans (MZ) oo 11.02.1629 Baur Barbara
C-1-1) 23.12.1632 Rudolf
C-2) 10.11.1605 Froneck (MZ) oo 03.02.1629 Jakob Sidler
C-3) 02.11.1617 Anna (MW)
C-4) 09.12.1618 Alexander (MW) oo 30.08.1643 Anna Lüssi {256}
C4-1-1) 13.11.1644 Barbara
C4-1-2) 27.03.1646 Verena oo 05.03.1679
C4-1-3) 09.05.1647 Margreth
C4-1-4) 27.08.1648 Ulrich, 20.01.1649
C4-1-5) 16.12.1649 Ulrich
C4-1-6) 31.03.1651 Anna
C4-1-7) 18.07.1652 Jakob oo 20.04.1681 Adelheid Funk {128}
C4-1-8) ?????.1654 Felix
C4-1-9) 02.09.1655 Hans Jakob, +30.08.1676
C4-1-10) 01.01.1657 Arbogast oo 14.11.1683
C4-1-11) 29.05.1659 Heinrich, + 1672
C4-1-12) 06.01.1661 Hans Rudolf
C4-1-13) 13.02.1662 Verena, + 12.05.1683
C4-1-14) 13.03.1664 Alexander, + 1671
C4-1-15) 19.11.1665 Elisabeth, + 1676
C4-1-16) 09.03.1670 Barbara
C-5) 03.09.1620 Margreth (MW)
D) Felix Urmi oo 1616 Adelheid Grob
D-1) 09.04.1617 Hans Heinrich
D-2) 05.09.1619 Felix
D-3) 26.12.1622 Gorius
D-4) 17.08.1625 Barbara, + 02.02.1626
D-5) 31.08.1628 Verena
D-6) 20.02.1631 Anna
D-7) 30.09.1633 Küngold
The list is to be completed.
Wolf research:
According to the surname book, Maschwanden is today the only “old” burgh for Urmi. In 1911 one line was granted citizenship of the city of Zurich, in 1913 that of Küsnacht ZH. The first mention of the name in the Zurich marriage database (Maschwanden parish) is from 1612. Most of the name bearers who married in Maschwanden gave Baregg as their origin - a hamlet belonging to Knonau ZH. The name appears there as early as 1556. It can therefore be assumed that the Urmi of Maschwanden originally came from Knonau, where the family has since died out.
04.11.1612 Weilenmann, Daniel, Maschwanden, getraut mit Urmi, Elisabeth, Baregg
05.03.1679 Stehli, Hans, getraut mit Urmi, Verena "auß der Baregg"22.11.1713 Urmi, Rudolf, Baregg, getraut mit Weilenmann, Barbara (Heinis Tochter)
07.04.1717 Urmi, Heinrich (Jagglis Sohn), getraut mit Studer, Elisabeth (Trähers Tochter)
16.03.1720 Buchmann, Heinrich (Caspars), getraut mit Urmi, Elisabeth, Baregg (nata 23. Junii 1695)
??.06.1725 Bruggmann, Johannes, Altstetten, getraut mit Urmi, Verena
04.12.1726 Urmi, Jakob ("Jaggel"), getraut mit Russer, Verena, Hausen am Albis
05.02.1727 Gallmann, Hans Jakob, getraut mit Urmi, Anna, Baregg (nata 11. Junii 1702)
27.11.1743 Urmi, Hans Jakob, getraut mit Gallmann, Susanna
05.02.1755 Urmi, Hans (Rudis sel.), getraut mit Weilenmann, Elisabeth (Rußers)
11.11.1755 Urmi, Hans (viduus), getraut mit Steinbrüchel, Elisabeth (Schumrs. sel)
19.02.1772 Urmi, Heinrich (Bareggers), getraut mit Funk, Barbara (Heirechen seligen)
Translation:
04.11.1612 Weilenmann, Daniel, Maschwanden, married to Urmi, Elisabeth, Baregg
05.03.1679 Stehli, Hans, married to Urmi, Verena “auß der Baregg”
22.11.1713 Urmi, Rudolf, Baregg, married to Weilenmann, Barbara (Heini's daughter)
07.04.1717 Urmi, Heinrich (Jaggli's son), married to Studer, Elisabeth (Träher's daughter)
16.03.1720 Buchmann, Heinrich (Caspars), married to Urmi, Elisabeth, Baregg (nata June 23, 1695)
??.06.1725 Bruggmann, Johannes, Altstetten, married to Urmi, Verena
04.12.1726 Urmi, Jakob (“Jaggel”), married to Russer, Verena, Hausen am Albis
05.02.1727 Gallmann, Hans Jakob, married to Urmi, Anna, Baregg (nata 11. Junii 1702)
27.11.1743 Urmi, Hans Jakob, married to Gallmann, Susanna
05.02.1755 Urmi, Hans (Rudis sel.), married to Weilenmann, Elisabeth (Rußers)
11.11.1755 Urmi, Hans (viduus), married to Steinbrüchel, Elisabeth (Schumrs. sel.)
19.02.1772 Urmi, Heinrich (Bareggers), married to Funk, Barbara (Heirechen seligen)
Second entries:
1) Johann Robert Urmi von Küsnacht (Limberg) (20.10.1891-27.08.1982)
oo 10.04.1919 in KüsnachtAnna Bucher von Buchs ZH (*21.11.1893)
(kinderlos)
2) Johannes Urmi von Maschwanden, in Küsnacht (Limberg) (08.11.1850-30.03.1922)
oo 31.07.1882 in Witikon
Hermina Bär von Witikon (30.03.1849-20.11.1913)
4) Kaspar Urmi von Maschwanden (*08.12.1807)
oo 16.01.1843
Anna Landis, Kappel am Albis (Uerzlikon) (*09.07.1813)
8) Alexander Urmi von Maschwanden (*04.12.1779)
oo 13.06.1803
Anna Grob von Maschwanden (*24.12.1780)
16) Heinrich Urmi von Maschwanden, "Bareggers"
oo 19.02.1772 (siehe oben)
Barbara Funk
Urmi im Kanton Zürich
According to The Register of Swiss Surnames, Maschwanden ZH is the only place of citizenship for Urmi in existence since before 1800. It was not until the 20th century that Urmi lines gained citizenship in Küsnacht ZH or the city of Zurich. In connection with Sidler von Ottenbach ZH, however, Urmi appear in Knonau (Baaregg) and Urner in Rifferswil. Research is sometimes hampered by gaps in the church records.
According to the Surname Book of Switzerland, Maschwanden ZH is the only place of origin for Urmi since before 1800. It was not until the 20th century that lines were naturalized in Küsnacht ZH or the city of Zurich. However, Urmi in Knonau (Baaregg) and Urner in Rifferswil occur in connection with Sidler of Ottenbach ZH. Research is sometimes hampered by gaps in the church records.
According to The Register of Swiss Surnames, Maschwanden ZH is the only place of citizenship for Urmi in existence since before 1800. It was not until the 20th century that Urmi lines gained citizenship in Küsnacht ZH or the city of Zurich. In connection with Sidler von Ottenbach ZH, however, Urmi appear in Knonau (Baaregg) and Urner in Rifferswil. Research is sometimes hampered by gaps in the church records.
1772 19.02.1772 Urmi, Heinrich (Bareggers), married to Funk, Barbara (Heirechen seligen) Maschwanden film 008125639 page 121 |
Wolf:
Translation: Heinrich Urmi oo 1772 Barbara Funk
Heinrich Urmi (no baptism date) sel, son of the previous brother, + 1795 [§]
oo Maschwanden 19.02.1772
Barbara Funk, ≈ 12.02.1747, daughter of Heinrich Funk and Verena Gut von Ober-Lunneren (oo 01.02.1646), widow, +11.12.1807.
Re: Urmi from Maschwanden ZH
The Alphabetical Family Register 1796 literally says “of the previous brother's son / Heinrich Urmi's wife / Barbara Funk”.
Who is the “previous brother”?
On the previous page two names are mentioned: 1) Hans Urmi, husband of Elisabetha Steinbrüchel, + 1784, and 2) Heinrich, ≈ 25.10.1719, + 1800. Is one of the two the father of Heinrich, the husband of Barbara Funk?
1) Hans Urmi married Elisabeth Steinbrüchel, ≈ 23.02.1727 as a widower on 11.11.1755 in Maschwanden, daughter of the shoemaker Jakob Steinbrüchel and Verena Schneider. She has, in addition to 6 deceased children, a married daughter with whom she is (1796), in the 50th house, 2nd parlor, ... and .... Died aet 73 den 18. Mart 1800. A son Heinrich is not mentioned - but there could of course be a son Heinrich from Hans' first marriage.
2) Heinrich, ≈ 25.10.1719 as son of Heinrich Urmi and Elisabetha Studer (they had married on ]url=https://suche.staatsarchiv.djiktzh.ch/d ... ID=4395060]07.04.1717 in Maschwanden[/url], “Jaggli's son” and “Träher's daughter”). He died aet. 81 on Nov. 10, 1800. A marriage of a Heinrich Urmi between 1740 and 1770 is not found in the Zurich marriage database. He is therefore not likely to be the father of Barbara Funk's husband.
Children (in addition to 2 deceased):
≈ 30.08.1772 Anna Barbara, nupsit 1798 Hs. Jakob Frey, shoemaker from here [1]
≈ 30.01.1774 Verena, serves at Mettmenstetten, nupsit 1797 Johannes Spinner from Aügst [2]
≈ 11.01.1778 Anna, nupsit 1804 Hs. Jakob Funk [3]
≈ 04.12.1779 Alexander, vide pag. sequ. [4]
≈ 12.09.1784 Elisabetha, nupsit 1811 Johannes Stehli of Zwillikon [5]
* 16.10.1803 (≈ 18.10.) Susanna, nupsit Hs. Heinrich Frey [6]
Underlying source Alphabetical family register 1796 (Sig. E III 73.9) with additions from the Zurich marriage database and the Maschwanden 1797 marriage register.
[The register entry was created in 1796, after Heinrich's death - only the widow and children are mentioned in detail. The interpretation of the phrase “the previous brother's son” will be made later.
[1] oo ZH-St.Peter 15.01.1798: Hans Jakob Frei, baptized 5 Nov. 1769; cobbler; parents: Johannes Frei, cobbler and Ehgaumer, and Barbara Buchmann.
[2] oo ZH-St.Peter 20.11.1797: Johannes Spinner, Andresen sel. eldest son.
[3] oo ZH-St.Peter 03.03.1704
[4] oo ZH-St.Peter 13.06.1803: Anna Grob
[5] oo ZH-St.Peter 14.01.1811
[6] when and where ?
128) Jakob Urmi oo 1681 Adelheid Funk
Post by Wolf “ Sat 14 Sep 2024, 10:46
Jaggli Urmi, ≈ Knonau 18.01.1652, son of Alexander Urmi in the Baregg and Anna Lüssi.
Image
64) Heinrich Urmi oo 1717 Elisabeth Studer
Post by Wolf “ Sat 14 Sep 2024, 10:46
Heinrich Urmi, ≈ Knonau 29.06.1684, son of Jakob.
oo Maschwanden 07.04.1717
Elßj Stauder
Laut Heiratseintrag von 1643 ist Alexander Urmi "Ueli Urmis sel. gewäsnen Wachtmeisters in der Baregg ehelich hinderlaßner Sohn".
Die Kekule-Nummer (512) bezieht sich auf JohannRobert Urmi (20.10.1891-27.08.1982) als Probanden.
Die Kekule-Nummer (512) bezieht sich auf JohannRobert Urmi (20.10.1891-27.08.1982) als Probanden.
oo Knonau 30.08.1643
Anna Lüssi von Zwillikon, "Ueli Lüßis" Tochter
Sohn (weitere Kinder noch nicht gesucht):
18.01.1652 Jaggli
Die Kekule-Nummer (256) bezieht sich auf Johann Robert Urmi (20.10.1891-27.08.1982) als Probanden.
Wolf's Conclusions:
The Alphabetical Family Register 1796 literally states “the previous brother's son / Heinrich Urmi's wife / Barbara Funk”.
Who is the “previous brother”?
On the previous page two names are mentioned: 1) Hans Urmi, husband of Elisabetha Steinbrüchel, + 1784, and 2) Heinrich, ≈ 25.10.1719, + 1800. Is one of the two the father of Heinrich, the husband of Barbara Funk?
1) Hans Urmi married Elisabeth Steinbrüchel, ≈ 23.02.1727 as a widower on 11.11.1755 in Maschwanden, daughter of the shoemaker Jakob Steinbrüchel and Verena Schneider. She has, in addition to 6 deceased children, a married daughter with whom she is (1796), in the 50th house, 2nd parlor, ... and .... Died aet 73 den 18. Mart 1800. A son Heinrich is not mentioned - but there could of course be a son Heinrich from Hans' first marriage.
2) Heinrich, ≈ 25.10.1719 as son of Heinrich Urmi and Elisabetha Studer (they had married on ]url=https://suche.staatsarchiv.djiktzh.ch/d ... ID=4395060]07.04.1717 in Maschwanden[/url], “Jaggli's son” and “Träher's daughter”). He died aet. 81 on Nov. 10, 1800. A marriage of a Heinrich Urmi between 1740 and 1770 is not found in the Zurich marriage database. He is therefore not likely to be the father of Barbara Funk's husband.
Addendum: see below for the answer - it is neither of them. Father is Hans Jacob, born in 1718, brother of Heinrich, born in 1719.
16) Heinrich Urmi oo 1772 Barbara Funk (ergänzt)
Heinrich Urmi, * 01.11.1744 als Sohn des Hans Jakob, + 08.02.1795, ■ 11.02.1795
oo Maschwanden 19.02.1772
Barbara Funk, ≈ 12.02.1747, Tochter von Heinrich Funk und Verena Gut von Ober-Lunneren (oo 01.02.1646), 1796 Wittwe, +11.12.1807.
Kinder:
≈ 30.08.1772 Anna Barbara, oo ZH-St.Peter 15.01.1798: Hs. Jakob Frey, Schuster von hier
≈ 30.01.1774 Verena, dient zu Mettmenstetten, oo ZH-St.Peter 20.11.1797: Johannes Spinner von Aügst
≈ 03.09.1775 Johannes, + 20.09.1789
≈ 11.01.1778 Anna, oo ZH-St.Peter 03.03.1804: Hs. Jakob Funk
≈ 04.12.1779 Alexander, oo ZH-St.Peter 13.06.1803: Anna Grob
≈ 12.09.1784 Elisabetha, oo ZH-St.Peter 14.01.1811: Johannes Stehli von Zwillikon
* 08.02.1791 (≈ 13.02.) Regula, + 07.08.1791
* 16.10.1803 (≈ 18.10.) Susanna, oo (wann und wo?) Hs. Heinrich Frey
Translation of the above:
Addendum: see below for the answer - it is neither of them. Father is Hans Jacob, born in 1718, brother of Heinrich, born in 1719.
16) Heinrich Urmi oo 1772 Barbara Funk (added)
Unread post by Wolf “ Sat 14 Sep 2024, 10:45
Heinrich Urmi, * 01.11.1744 as son of Hans Jakob, + 08.02.1795, ■ 11.02.1795
oo Maschwanden 19.02.1772
Barbara Funk, ≈ 12.02.1747, daughter of Heinrich Funk and Verena Gut von Ober-Lunneren (oo 01.02.1646), 1796 widow, +11.12.1807.
Children:
≈ 30.08.1772 Anna Barbara, oo ZH-St.Peter 15.01.1798: Hs. Jakob Frey, shoemaker from here
≈ 30.01.1774 Verena, serves at Mettmenstetten, oo ZH-St.Peter 20.11.1797: Johannes Spinner from Aügst
≈ 03.09.1775 Johannes, + 20.09.1789
≈ 11.01.1778 Anna, oo ZH-St.Peter 03.03.1804: Hs. Jakob Funk
≈ 04.12.1779 Alexander, oo ZH-St.Peter 13.06.1803: Anna Grob
≈ 12.09.1784 Elisabetha, oo ZH-St.Peter 14.01.1811: Johannes Stehli of Zwillikon
* 08.02.1791 (≈ 13.02.) Regula, + 07.08.1791
* 16.10.1803 (≈ 18.10.) Susanna, oo (when and where?) Hs. Heinrich Frey
Quellen: Haushaltsrodel und Familienregister Maschwanden, ergänzt durch Zürcher Ehedatenbank und Ehebuch ZH-St.Peter.
End of post
Heinrich Urmi oo 1772 Barbara Funk
Heinrich Urmi (ohne Taufdatum) sel, des vorigen Bruders Sohn, + 1795 [§]
oo Maschwanden 19.02.1772
Barbara Funk, ≈ 12.02.1747, Tochter von Heinrich Funk und Verena Gut von Ober-Lunneren (oo 01.02.1646), Wittwe, +11.12.1807.
Kinder (nebst 2 Verstorbenen):
≈ 30.08.1772 Anna Barbara, nupsit 1798 Hs. Jakob Frey, Schuster von hier [1]
≈ 30.01.1774 Verena, dient zu Mettmenstetten, nupsit 1797 Johannes Spinner von Aügst [2]
≈ 11.01.1778 Anna, nupsit 1804 Hs. Jakob Funk [3]
≈ 04.12.1779 Alexander, vide pag. sequ. [4]
≈ 12.09.1784 Elisabetha, nupsit 1811 Johannes Stehli von Zwillikon [5]
* 16.10.1803 (≈ 18.10.) Susanna, nupsit Hs. Heinrich Frey [6]
Zugrundeliegende Quelle Alphabetisches Familienregister 1796 (Sig. E III 73.9) mit Ergänzungen aus der Zürcher Ehedatenbank und dem Ehebuch Maschwanden 1797.
[§] Der Registereintrag wurde 1796, nach dem Tod des Heinrich angelegt - nur die Witwe und Kinder werden detailliert erwähnt. Die Interpretation der Formulierung "des vorigen Bruders Sohn" soll später erfolgen.
[1] oo ZH-St.Peter 15.01.1798: Hans Jakob Frei, getauft 5. Nov. 1769; Schuster; Eltern: Johannes Frei, Schuster und Ehgaumer, und Barbara Buchmann.
[2] oo ZH-St.Peter 20.11.1797: Johannes Spinner, Andresen sel. ältester Sohn.
[3] oo ZH-St.Peter 03.03.1704
[4] oo ZH-St.Peter 13.06.1803: Anna Grob
[5] oo ZH-St.Peter 14.01.1811
[6] wann und wo ?
Heinrich Urmi (ohne Taufdatum) sel, des vorigen Bruders Sohn, + 1795 [§]
oo Maschwanden 19.02.1772
Barbara Funk, ≈ 12.02.1747, Tochter von Heinrich Funk und Verena Gut von Ober-Lunneren (oo 01.02.1646), Wittwe, +11.12.1807.
Kinder (nebst 2 Verstorbenen):
≈ 30.08.1772 Anna Barbara, nupsit 1798 Hs. Jakob Frey, Schuster von hier [1]
≈ 30.01.1774 Verena, dient zu Mettmenstetten, nupsit 1797 Johannes Spinner von Aügst [2]
≈ 11.01.1778 Anna, nupsit 1804 Hs. Jakob Funk [3]
≈ 04.12.1779 Alexander, vide pag. sequ. [4]
≈ 12.09.1784 Elisabetha, nupsit 1811 Johannes Stehli von Zwillikon [5]
* 16.10.1803 (≈ 18.10.) Susanna, nupsit Hs. Heinrich Frey [6]
Zugrundeliegende Quelle Alphabetisches Familienregister 1796 (Sig. E III 73.9) mit Ergänzungen aus der Zürcher Ehedatenbank und dem Ehebuch Maschwanden 1797.
[§] Der Registereintrag wurde 1796, nach dem Tod des Heinrich angelegt - nur die Witwe und Kinder werden detailliert erwähnt. Die Interpretation der Formulierung "des vorigen Bruders Sohn" soll später erfolgen.
[1] oo ZH-St.Peter 15.01.1798: Hans Jakob Frei, getauft 5. Nov. 1769; Schuster; Eltern: Johannes Frei, Schuster und Ehgaumer, und Barbara Buchmann.
[2] oo ZH-St.Peter 20.11.1797: Johannes Spinner, Andresen sel. ältester Sohn.
[3] oo ZH-St.Peter 03.03.1704
[4] oo ZH-St.Peter 13.06.1803: Anna Grob
[5] oo ZH-St.Peter 14.01.1811
[6] wann und wo ?
Knonau Church Records: Marriages 1552 - 1800
According to the Zürich State Archive calatogue the first book contains the following marriage records:
1552-1554 (p. 250), 1607-1633 (p. 252-254), 1634-1639 (intermixed with baptisms and burials) 1641-1666 (p. 255-258), 1556-1561, 1571, 1573 (p. 268-269).
========== The following Urmi entries are listed in the marriage database prior to 1801 ==========
22.12.1560: Obschalger Jakob & Urmi Kleophea
20.03.1608: Urmi Ulrich “uß der Baregg” viduus & Kueni Anna
11.02.1616: Urmi Felix “uß der Baregg” & Grob Adelheid
12.01.1617: Urmi Ulrich “uß der Baregg” viduus & Walder Margaretha
03.05.1626: Urmi Hans Konrad & Hegetschweiler Agnes
11.02.1629: Urmi Hans “ußer Barregg” & Baur Barbara vidua
24.06.1635: Urmi Hans Konrad “Wittlig” & Suter Margaretha Hauptikon unmarried
19.01.1642: Frick Hans “Heini Fricken” son Knonau & Urmi Margaretha “Ueli Urmis des Wachtmeisters uß der Baregg” daughter
30.08.1643: Urmi Alexander “Ueli Urmis sel. gewäsnen Wachtmeisters in der Baregg ehelich hinderlaßner Sohn” & Lüssi Anna “Ueli Lüßis” daughter of Zwillikon
14.01.1647: Urmi Gorius, servant at the Buch farm & Bär Margaretha “a Widerteüffers daughter from Ütliberg”
03.03.1678: Urmi Ulrich Baregg, Alexander Urmi's own son & Vollenweider Regula, Gorius Vollenweider's daughter from Rossau
..... more to follow ....