Tuesday, January 7, 2020

Deciphering and Research to be done.


Katharina Kleiner poss birth 12 Aug 1588 film 8125638 page 6


Jakob Sidler death 11 October 1693 film 8014328 page 386 left column


Rudolf Sidler death 28 September 1675 film 8014328 page 374

Walthar Sidler death 3 November 1628 film 8014328 page 177


Katharina Kleiner death 3 November 1627 film 8014328 page 177






Anna Sidler birth and baptism 1827 from Baptismal Register E_III_88_6_Ottenbach_teil



Elisabetha Sidler 12 Nov 1831 death TotReg_Ottenbach_E_III_88_5_S_593_halb




Causes of death: change to editable text.

Hans Rudolf Hamberger death record. Cause of death?

Rudolf Hamberger Pastor Death 1776 June 11, Ottenbach film 8014328 page 694




FamilySearch Records for Jentas


Elisabeth Sidler cause of death?








Elsbeth Schneebeli cause of death?








Margaretha Sidler death 10 July  1692 film 8014328 page 257
What do the extra names represent?



Hans Kaspar Sidler death Feb 22, 1768, burial 23 Feb, film 8014328 page 670
Hans lived 62 years 10 months 24 days. According to the his death
record he lived 62 years 10 months 20 days.
 The Ottenbach Pastor
who made this e
ntry, and conducted the services was Rudolf Hamberger. Rudolf, himself, died 8 years later. Hyrops is a condition where too much
fluid is collected in the inner ear. 

 What are the extra words?















1. What does it say about Johann Jacob Lochner?

2. Is this correct? Johannes Sielder: im held, Schneider meaning: in the hero, Tailor (very good Tailor)
Note: The person who died 2 days later was also a Tailor. What is his name?





Hans Jacob Locher was born 12 October 1761 and was the son of the then Oetwiler and later Mettmenstetter priest Dietrich Locher (1730-82).  Dietrich lived to be 52. His grandfather was a "wood turner." His great grandfather Hans Konrad Locher was a Pastor in Toß. Jacob's mother Dorothea Weber lived to be 84 but died a year before her son Jacob Locher married. After Pastor Locher was ordination in 1785 he became a tutor in Uitikon Castle, where he was appointed as a pastor in 1790. In 1791 he moved to Gronenbach in Allgau. Here he witnessed the last phase of the First Coalition War in 1796. In 1800, against the resistance of the parish, he was appointed to the Ottenbach parish office as successor to Johannes Weber. He died  in Ottenbach in 1834. After his funeral, Nacht (night) boys dug up the coffin and leaned it against the house door of his survivors. The desecration of the grave indicates that Pastor Locher, under his direction the first Ottenbach poorhouse was built, while the extinction of the office of teacher did not become popular in Ottenbach.



3. Death Date for Elisabetha Sidler born 1747? Is her death date 1 September 1807? or could it be Elisabetha Sidler death 1831 Nov 12





or see right side seventh entry down.


Elisabetha Sidler death 1831 Nov 12 page 787 film 008126955








4.  1690 household record, please read: Many children deceased by 1690

Melchior Mar 20
?Jos Feb 22
Max










5. Rudolf Sidler family 1670. How is this organized? Which children are listed?











New list of records needed

1.  


Barbara Sidler 18 March 1825 - 1 December 1895 and 
Jakob Berli 24 Oct 1814 - 21 March 1889
have marriage 3 December 1854, need children
Something happened in 1841
see page 637 








2. Find the parents and family of 



Page 423 or 425 family records
Elisabetha Frei


3.  Susanna Jenta death March 18, 1858 muggy online, look at microfilm.
microfilm 2060954 page 697












microfilm 2060954 page 696


Rudolf Sidler cause of death


















4. Read small words around Susanne








Read bottom.


Denkschrift der medizinisch-chirurgischen Gesellschaft des Kantons Zürich ...


1825

Staatshandbuch der Schweizerischen Eidgenossenschaft: für das Jahr ... 1837




Vierteljahrsschrift der Naturforschenden Gesellschaft in Zürich, Volume 7








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Veronika Schnebeli born 22 January 1709                      
Elizabeth Schnebeli born 28 November 1710           Page 39 


Kaspar Sidler born 21 June 1663
Anna Wydler born      June 1683  Erlenbach             Page 38
?? there was another family on this side. The number must be from somewhere else.
This couple was living too early to be in that book, but I found them in the Bevoelkerungsverzeichnis see pictures in a PDF file.
Note: if there any pages numbers on Page 38, please copy those pages.


Dorothea Sidler born  10 December 1769
Caspar Bron   Bär/Baer                                                 Page 194 


Caspar Sidler born 9 February 1772
Elizabeth Hegetschweiler                                           Page 240


Johannes Sidler born 25 June 1777
Susanna Jenta                                                              Page 434
you have this page

Elizabetha Sidler born 21 February 1779
Heindrich Berli                                                            Page 301 


Melchior Sidler born 27 December 1778                    Page 308
?? I made a copy, but it                                                                                          seems to be a wrong page. I think Melchior was single at least at the time when they wrote this page. Single persons had never paged of their own.

Jakob Sidler born 21 April 1783
Elizabeth Gut                                                               Page 375 or 575   
515     

Hans Ulrich Sidler born 28 November 1784
Anna Barbara Schnebeli                                               Page 390 


Caspar Sidler born 3 November 1786
Anna Haberling                                                             Page 393


Johannes Sidler born 25 July 1777
Margaretha Berli  born 28 September 1777                  Page 240 

                                                                                       Page 82 (marriage)

Anna Hegetschweiler   E III 88.16 
?? not done           Page 434  you have this page

Anna Sidler Page 225  and Anna Hegetschweiler
??                     


Here are examples of what I need:
Notice that the archive reference number is on the edge of the document.
It might be easier to make the reference number - the file number.
I added the sepia tone to make it easier to read.
I have pages, 34, 72, 73, 434, 435, and 550.

Links to some of my pages: Kent, as far as I see, you consulted the church books of Ottenbach on microfilm (StAZH E III 88), lists of the population of Ottenbach in the 17th and 18th century (photocopies) (StAZH E II 700.79)  and a list of passports issued by the Canton of Zurich in 1860 (StAZH PP 38.54). 
Best regards, Martin 





















I need digital copies and archive reference numbers of the following Ottenbach Church records. Page numbers should make this an easy task if you are familiar with the Zurich Archives. When you copy a page look for reference numbers and copy those pages as well!!! Many thanks.

Veronika Schnebeli born 22 January 1709
Elizabeth Schnebeli born 28 November 1710           Page 39

Kaspar Sidler born 21 June 1663
Anna Wydler born      June 1683  Erlenbach             Page 38

Note: if there any pages numbers on Page 38, please copy those pages.

Dorothea Sidler born  10 December 1769
Caspar Bron                                                               Page 194

Caspar Sidler born 9 February 1772
Elizabeth Hegetschweiler                                           Page 240

Johannes Sidler born 25 June 1777
Susanna Jenta                                                              Page 434

Elizabetha Sidler born 21 February 1779
Heindrich Berli                                                            Page 301

Melchior Sidler born 27 December 1778                    Page 308

Jakob Sidler born 21 April 1783
Elizabeth Gut                                                               Page 375 or 575

Hans Ulrich Sidler born 28 November 1784
Anna Barbara Schnebeli                                               Page 390

Caspar Sidler born 3 November 1786
Anna Haberling                                                             Page 393

Johannes Sidler born 25 July 1777
Margaretha Berli  born 28 September 1777                  Page 240
                                                                                       Page 82 (marriage)

Anna Hegetschweiler   E III 88.16                              Page 434

Anna Sidler and Anna Hegetschweiler                      Page 225

Hans Rudolf Jenta b 1771 and                                    Page unknown
Elizabeth Frei b 1774

                                                            
I would also like the following pages: 

1. Rudolf Jenta: and Elizabeth Frei 
 TAI 1,759; CityAZH VIII.C. 25th, EDB 3543

2. Kaspar Jenta and Anna Wolfenberger:

TAI 1,708; 
ERKGA St. Peter IV B 39, EDB 9172

3. Jakob Sidler and Veronika Haberling:
E III 88.3, ​​EDB 283

*When you find Hans Rudolf Jenta b 1771 and Elizabeth Frei b 1774, 
look on the document and see see if there are any page numbers.
If so please copy those pages.

How does the numbering system work? The signature system was introduced by a former state archivist in the 19th century. 
The letter E stands for church archive. 


The III is numbered consecutively and contains all church books. The next number stands for the town (88 = Ottenbach), and S. (Seite) defines the page number. 

With the signature E III 88.19 you can find the register in our archive catalogue or the microfilm in the reading room. With the page number (for Example 550) you will find the family page in the book.