The marriage record of "Robert Stewart in Edradynate and Elizabeth Stewart in Clochfoldich, both in this parish," direct us to the Robert born in Edradynate, the son of Robert Stewart and Amelia Robertson. William Stewart, shoemaker, married in Clochfoldich in 1808. So the William Stewart, shoemaker, in Clochfoldich, who married Elizabeth Erskine in 1808, and married Margaret Livingstone in Clochfoldich, in 1814, fits perfectly the clues Margaret left us to identify her family. William Stewart, shoemaker, and Margaret Livingstone were living at Little Clochfoldich when their 3 children were born (1814-1822). John Stewart, son of William's daughter Elizabeth [Betty] S. Stewart, was born at Little Clochfoldich in Logierait Parish in 1834.
Kent: "Robert Stewart in Edradynate and Elizabeth Stewart in Clochfoldich, both in this parish," direct us to Robert Stewart born in Edradynate, the son of Robert Stewart and Amelia Robertson. Robert is Margaret Stewart’s father. Robert must have made the walk from Edradynate to little Clochfoldich many times in 1833 because Robert and Elizabeth married Jan 11, 1834. To read about his life: http://gatheringgardiners.blogspot.com/2014/11/robert-and-elizabeth-stewart-their.html
There is just one estate between Clochfoldich and Edradynate. While Clochfoldich has people living in the main house, Edradynate is owned by a couple who live in Herdfordshire, England. They rent out the main house for groups who want to hunt or fish or enjoy the highlands.
Go to this link and you can walk through the house and see what it costs to rent. Kent http://www.cottages-and-castles.co.uk/self-catering/edradynate-house-394/
2015 Kent:
The country is picture book beautiful. No old cars and junk you see on farms in the USA. Everything is clean, green and organized.
Logierait is where Margaret’s parents were married. It is a small community, has a cool looking bridge, and a church which sits on the River Tay. Ron, Sandy, Deborah and I ate at the Logierait Inn which began in 1806. We had fish and chips. Kent
The country is picture book beautiful. No old cars and junk you see on farms in the USA. Everything is clean, green and organized.
Logierait is where Margaret’s parents were married. It is a small community, has a cool looking bridge, and a church which sits on the River Tay. Ron, Sandy, Deborah and I ate at the Logierait Inn which began in 1806. We had fish and chips. Kent
This video is about 2015 Logierait
1855 Residence of Robert and Elizabeth Stewart: see right side, half the way down, 4 pounds 10 rent.
| Name: | Robert Stewart |
|---|---|
| Gender: | Male |
| Birth Date: | 19 Feb 1807 |
| Baptism Date: | 25 Feb 1807 |
| Baptism Place: | Logierait,Perth,Scotland |
| Father: | Robert Stewart |
| Mother: | Amelia Robertson |
| FHL Film Number: | 1040125 |
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Margaret’s father, Robert Stewart was a ship builder (laborer) in Dundee, Scotland who didn’t join the church. He and his wife Elizabeth had seven children. He lived to be 69.
For information on his father: Robert Stewart and Logierait where he lived.
Who did the Stewarts come from?
From an article by James Irvine Robertson, the most knowledgable person on the Stewarts in the Atholl area:
The Wolf of Badenoch, the builder of Garth Castle in Perthshire, was Alexander Stewart, Earl of Buchan, a son of Robert II, and one of the greatest robber barons in Scots history.
After a wild and lawless career in which he was excommunicated for burning down Elgin Cathedral in a dispute with its bishop, he managed to repent in time to be buried in Dunkeld Cathedral soon after 1400.
The Atholl Stewarts were supposedly followers of the Murray Dukes of Atholl, who obtained the title by marrying the last Stewart heiress, which they were when it suited them, but they behaved as a clan in almost all respects save for having an acknowledged chief.
The Athollmen and the Appin Stewarts were at the core of the Marquess of Montrose’s devastatingly effective army in 1645, and fought to the end in every attempt to restore a Stuart monarch to the throne. They rivalled the Campbells as the most formidable soldiers in the Highlands. At the Battle of Culloden, they were on the right of the rebel army. They and the Stewarts of Appin suffered dreadful casualties.
An example is Killiechassie, an estate in Atholl now owned by the Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling. In 1746 its owner was Robert Stewart.
He led 34 of his tenants to that battle. They were placed on the extreme right wing. The laird survived to come home, but 31 of his followers did not.
Another Highland nest of this prolific family clustered around the Stewarts of Ardvorlich near Loch Earn and Loch Voil amongst the Macgregors with whom they feuded as enthusiastically as their kinsmen to the north continually fought with the Campbells.
All these Stewarts had, in 1817, the good fortune to be questioned in a great census of the name carried out by the seminal Highland historian, David Stewart of Garth, himself a whelp of the Wolf. At that time Highlanders still defined themselves by their ancestry and could tell the enumerators from what line they came.
About 4,000 descendants of the Wolf lived in Atholl in the early 19th century. Their descendants are documented and it has been estimated that they will amount to some 30,000 scattered across the globe, all with the blood of kings of England and Scotland in their veins. And that of King Robert Bruce.
Wolf's last resting spot:
Wolf's stronghold:
Full article: The Stewarts in Atholl
Poor House entrants:
Research:
2011
Dear Mr Gardiner,
Thank you for your enquiry. I have attached a, perhaps, somewhat colourful but at least contemporary description of the poorhouse, part of an article on how the poor are treated in Dundee that appeared in the Dundee Year Book for 1888. The poorhouse referred to in the death certificates was the main poorhouse for the parish of Dundee and was situated in the Stobswell area of the City. The Burgh of Dundee spread over two parishes and there was, in the 1870s, a separate poorhouse for the parish of Liff and Benvie that incorporated part of Dundee. In 1879 the two parishes united for poor law purposes and the Stobswell poorhouse became known as the Dundee East Poorhouse. You can locate the poorhouse on sheet LIV.6.1 of the 1870 edition of the Ordnance Survey town plan of Dundee. These are available to view online on the website of the National Library of Scotland at http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/dundee_2_east.html.
I have forwarded your email to one of our volunteers who deals with enquiries concerning the poors' records. He will get back to you in due course with a summary of the information that appears in the records concerning Robert and John Stewart.
Yours sincerely,
Richard Cullen
Robert died in the poorhouse in Dundee:
Dear Kent,
Paupers from the Eastern Poorhouse would have been buried in special areas put aside for paupers in the Eastern or Western Cemeteries (the Western Cemetery was also known as Balgay Cemetery). If you provide the burials' section of Dundee City Council's Parks Department with names and exact dates of death they should be able to tell you which cemetery they would have been buried in and indicate the area of ground. There would have been no individual markers or anything like that. Their email address is
Kind regards,
Richard Cullen
Robert Stewart's death certificate:
The father of Margaret Stewart, Robert Stewart died in the poorhouse from "general d ability." His family had left Scotland or died and he was alone at the time. Robert was buried in an common group grave in Dundee.
A disability is a condition or function judged to be significantly impaired relative to the usual standard of an individual or group. The term is used to refer to individual functioning, including physical impairment, sensory impairment, cognitive impairment, intellectual impairment mental illness, and various types of chronic disease.
Research:
February, 19, 2011
Dear Kent Gardiner
Thank you for your email.
I regret that I am unable to confirm that people who died in the Dundee East Poorhouse would have been buried at The Eastern Cemetery, however, staff at The Burials Department of Dundee City Council can search records for this cemetery, that opened in 1863, if you can provide names and exact dates of death. Please find attached a leaflet giving contact details for the Burials Department.
Early lair records are held by Dundee City Archives, http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/archive/ if the Burials Department are unable to help you and the Friends of Dundee City Archives have indexed Poor Records held there, http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAPoorhouses1.html
I hope this information is of assistance to your research.
Eileen Moran
Library & Information
March 30, 2011
Dear Kent,
The library does have a street map of Dundee in the 19th century:
Black's picturesque tourist of Scotland
914.1 B627
1867
It appears in a travel guide, so it is rather small; however, street names, local landmarks, etc. are visible. Due to its age and condition, this book is available for library use only, and may only be accessed in the History & Genealogy Department at Central Library. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any reference to Strath Tay Velley in our maps. Maps of Perthshire are also included in the guidebook listed above, but detailed maps of individual villages, etc. are not included.
If you have any questions, please contact the History & Genealogy Department at (213) 228-7400.
Thank you for contacting the Los Angeles Public Library.
Sincerely,
--
Mary McCoy
Librarian - History & Genealogy Department
Los Angeles Public Library
630 W. 5th Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
March 19, 2012
Dear Kent Gardiner
Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding the Mormon's in Dundee.
I have checked our records and have discovered much of the same information as you already hold. One slight difference is that in 1850 Dundee Directory, the Latter-Day Saints are meeting at Camperdown Hall and there is also the Christian Church meeting at Hammerman's Hall on Barrack Street. This perhaps suggests that they were indeed two separate buildings.
I have also been unable to find any exact images of Wright's Hall or Hammerman's Hall. However we do have some very good sketches of Key's Close that I hope you may find of interest.
I have also included the following link to a photograph of Key's Close
I hope this information is of assistance to your research.
Kevin McGinley
Library & Informaiton Assistant
Local History Centre
Dundee Central Library
Wellgate Centre
Dundee
DD1 1DB
Tel: 01382 431550
email: local.history@dundeecity.gov.uk
Dundee Central Library
Wellgate Centre
Dundee
DD1 1DB
Tel: 01382 431550
email: local.history@dundeecity.gov.uk
Hi, This church sat across the street from where Margaret Stewart lived in Dundee. Margaret and her family probably lived just left this picture. Notice on the map how the church faces her residence. This is a Church of Scotland church. In other words Margaret and her sisters probably went to church here when the missionaries contacted them. Wow. Kent
From the web: The Church of Scotland, (Scottish Gaelic: Eaglais na h-Alba) known informally by its Scots language name, the Kirk, is a Presbyterian church, decisively shaped by the Scottish Reformation.
From Beatrice: It was some time after mother’s death that the girls heard the gospel preached and became greatly interested. They had been good Presbyterians, but this new religion held all the good things that they had been looking for, so they were baptized. When Margaret was fifteen they were baptized in the river one night. Their father never joined the church.
Kent
Hi, This church sat across the street from where Margaret Stewart lived in Dundee. Margaret and her family probably lived just left this picture. Notice on the map how the church faces her residence. This is a Church of Scotland church. In other words Margaret and her sisters probably went to church here when the missionaries contacted them. Wow. Kent
From the web: The Church of Scotland, (Scottish Gaelic: Eaglais na h-Alba) known informally by its Scots language name, the Kirk, is a Presbyterian church, decisively shaped by the Scottish Reformation.
From Beatrice: It was some time after mother’s death that the girls heard the gospel preached and became greatly interested. They had been good Presbyterians, but this new religion held all the good things that they had been looking for, so they were baptized. When Margaret was fifteen they were baptized in the river one night. Their father never joined the church.
Kent
